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30BR at the big group matches

Last post Thu, May 15 2008 7:51 AM by Ted Heck. 12 replies.
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  • Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:21 PM

    • Ted Heck
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    30BR at the big group matches

    OK I expect to see about 15 or 20 replies to this. Who out there is going to shoot their 30BR at the Super Shoot or any of the big matches such as the nationals?? This is group shooting not score shooting. We already know that 30BR will dominate the VFS matches so I don't want to hear about that. Don't be to shy to support your favorite cartridge by getting out their and shooting some group and of course kicking some sand in those PPC's faces. Ted
  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 10:38 AM In reply to

    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Ted, I'm going to risk the wrath of SGR by cutting and pasting my [BrC] response to this question  - Stan, if this is unacceptable, please just shoot BIG MIKE! ;) Or, I guess you could yell at me a little . . .RG
     
    Last edited by R. G. Robinett : Today at 08:46 AM.
     
    I deleted the pasted text, which after several days in cyber-space, decided to make a surprise landing!
  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 10:41 AM In reply to

    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Well, I guess I can't do a cut and paste (from BrC) - so, please see my reply at www.benchrestcentral.com . :( RG

    Note - The second attempt to cut & paste worked! :)

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by David Apple View Post
    Not too long ago, some fellas roughed up some WORLD CLASS shooters at the IBS 200-300 Group Nationals. And one of them had over 11,000 rounds on the barrel. I wish I could go to the SS but I pull weeds for a living so.....Spring is a busy time for me.

    It is not easy to discern nowadays but a little research will show that the winning X count in Score shooting is not that much different now from years past. It is true that most guns on the line in Score are now HV 30's but someone who can shoot can get it done with a PPC.

    Now.... IBS ranges are allowed to hold a LV match only. This was done to allow more shooting opportunities for members and to add some diversity to the match format that has, to date been offered not to mention more fees for the clubs and IBS. A range can hold a LV/HV match. This was an opportunity for the LV PPC guns to come out and play on a more even field. The problem lies in the Match director. Speak to your match director and ask for a LV only match or a LV/HV 2 yardage match. (offer to help run the match)Then and only then will you see some PPC's on the line at a Score match.
    David, I was hoping someone would bring this up.

    Pertinent to this discussion was the above mentioned IBS LR Nationals, where Dean Breeden and Harley Baker nabbed the WIN and Place slots shooting their 30 BR rifles - being idiots NOT, these competitors used the BEST rigs they had . . . which, competently guided, proved good enough to best the rest of the field. Sadly, THAT demonstration of precision was dismissed as a "fluke"! As pointed out by others, people serious about winning, take the best they have - especially to the bigger tournaments. I will admit that a thirty caliber rig isn't for everyone - in fact, few will wield the precision as well as they will a lesser recoiling rig. Oh,for the afore mentioned NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, at which HOF members were among the troden upon, one must assume that [at least] THOSE contestants (the HoF members) took their best gear and "game" . . . but on this forum (BenchrestCentral), Dean and Harley got NO respect.

    In the end, winning BR tournaments is about using the best tool for the job . . . and executing at the highest level.

    Ted, like you, many (most?) of us, who are inclined to shoot score tournaments, have limited time. Thus we alot our valuable vacation-time to other priorities: my personal, "must attend" events: the NBRSA Hunter Nationals; the Wisconsin State NBRSA Hunter Rifle Championships; and my annual two week Wyoming hunting trip. The SS is on my , "maybe someday" list - maybe once I nab a 190+ B&C mule deer buck or, get too old to climb the mountains. Simply put, it boils down to priotities.

    Then, David, what makes ya think that some of us [knuckle dragging Hunter Rifle freaks] won't drag our LV 30BRs to those LV/HV events? RG

     

  • Tue, Mar 18 2008 1:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Randy that was a good reply.

  • Sat, Mar 29 2008 6:59 AM In reply to

    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Myself, Deano, and some other hooligans plan on attending the Group 200-300 Nationals again. Shooting 2 aggs a day for 2 days is a blast. Speaking for myself, I will use the sharpest knife I have, as I am not attending to eat bad food. But then I ain't nobody, just a hobo on the highway to heaven.

  • Sun, Mar 30 2008 1:19 PM In reply to

    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Who you callin' a hooligan? What, you don't like the food in the clubhouse at Union County? C'mon stinky... 

  • Sun, Mar 30 2008 2:59 PM In reply to

    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    I've shot my share of "big group" matches and now would like to shoot some "small group" matches.. ;>)......that is why I have elected to shoot the "30" this season..;>) and I do most likely fit into that "Hooligan" group  ;>)

    -H (also nobody, but a "hillbilly" hobo on the highway to heaven.....hopefully!)

  • Wed, May 7 2008 11:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Well the Super Shoot is about here. I guess well be getting some reports coming in soon telling us who is hot in practice. i didn't see any 30 calibers at the Blue Bonnet. I didn't shoot the 257 Ted since it didn't make LV or sporter weight.
  • Thu, May 8 2008 7:51 AM In reply to

    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Ted Heck:
    Well the Super Shoot is about here. I guess well be getting some reports coming in soon telling us who is hot in practice. i didn't see any 30 calibers at the Blue Bonnet. I didn't shoot the 257 Ted since it didn't make LV or sporter weight.

    But, Ted, did you miss the post on the BrC forum regarding what Hal Drake [with his thrity caliber rig] accomplished at the Hog Roast? Hal not only WON the HV 100, he was a mere 0.0015" off the IBS 100 Yd. Aggregate record - as I recall, Mr. Drake posted a 0.15xx! By the way, the IBS HV record, was established late last season (I believe by Tony Boyer - someone correct me if needed) - so, I'd say that Hal, in combination with Dean and Harley, pretty well dropped the hammer on the myth that thirties cannot compete at the highest level of group shooting . . . Hal's Hog Roast 100 Yd. AGG was a whopping 0.030 ahead of the frist loser . . . lightening could strike TWICE! ;)  RG

     

  • Thu, May 8 2008 7:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Wow! I didn't see that. IS he going to go to the Super Shoot or try the Nationals this year?
  • Thu, May 8 2008 8:39 AM In reply to

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    Rumor has it that Mr. Drake will be at the SS - hopefully, he didn't wear the barrel out during the Hog Roast - and he won't be alone!  If my spies are correct, the 30's will be out-numbered by a mere 297:3 ratio ,or, something sililar  - that undermanned, the PPC toters could be in trouble; they usually do best when the odds are 300 to one, in their favor ! ;) RG

  • Thu, May 8 2008 11:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    It would be great to see a non traditional caliber win a yardage at the SS or the Nationals.

    Of course if a 30 BR won then you would be so busy making 30 Calibre bullets that you wouldn't have time to make any other calibre.

    Ted

  • Thu, May 15 2008 7:51 AM In reply to

    • Ted Heck
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    Re: 30BR at the big group matches

    Well I guess some guys are already at the range practicing for the Super Shoot. I am really interested to see what comes of this. With the Exception of the 220 and 6mm Beggs we didn't get an non traditional calibers at the Bluebonnet this year. Gene made quite a showing with the 6mm Beggs on Sunday. His tube gun also shot very well. Think if you could just buy that as a Kit already barreled up. Get it in the mail Just screw o n the stock and shoot it. Ted
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